What Jesus clearly and specifically said is also superior and more important than your opinions about what you think Jesus meant or implied, but didnt say elsewhere. Well see in your other articles. Mantra (noun) (Hinduism.) I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). Mantra: Heil Hitler., .2) The self-appointed Prophet Muhammad, author of The Koran. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. in a meticulous, more comprehensive way. I know from the Scriptures that Paul Worship is wrong, but the entire Church Establishment says its right. ), If you cant prove me wrong, you dont have to say Im right, you dont have to agree, but dont say that Im wrong. If you are sure Im wrong but you dont have time to prove it, that means you are either lazy, willfully ignorant, or are breaking the 9th of the Ten Commandments, You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.. Like a little squirrel dressed up As a flying superhero We give ourselves the Title And zoom around the atmosphere Oh! The notion was given classic expression only a little more than a century ago by the biblical scholar John William Burgon. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. Lets see. 3. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read.. Another aspect of Hillel. No need to answer. It isnt a question of mens opinions about what Paul really meant or what Paul must have known or what Paul was actually referring to here or what Paul was clearly implying or what we must conclude that Paul was assuming, etc. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Acts 6:9 But resistance arose from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and men from the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. Phillip J. Now, we have got a complete detailed explanation and answer for everyone, who is interested! 2. We proclaim with a big smile And Jesus is my co-pilot So Im always top of the pile, God our Father loves his children He is patient as we grow So we take another step Its The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, As we journey with The Moose Faithfully by our side We get a revelation We have to swallow our pride, He must become greater He really is The Star I must become less, but still with Him Ill travel far, You must follow me, says Jesus In His eyes I see a twinkle He is not My friend I am HIS Jesus is The Star like Bullwinkle. He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". As a result, Paul calls Peter a hypocrite for following Maase HaTorah or in English Works of the Law instead of what following what the Torah actually stated. For Rabbi Saul, the idea that the messiah could be killed is wrong but is it enough to account for a violent reaction like Acts 7 and the stoning of Stephen? Wow, theyre dropping like flies. Why ignore the words of our Lord God Jesus Christ, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets? Here however it plainly is not. Not the voice of the accuser, Boss Paul the Pharisee, Telling the redeemed people of God About what they used to be. The NIV headings were not part of the original text, and sometimes they can be misleading, but in this case I believe the heading is right on. What else do we know about him? The Clementine Literature suggested that he maintained secrecy about the conversion and continued to be a member of the Sanhedrin for the purpose of covertly assisting his fellow Christians. Paul describes his own life in Philippians 3:5-6, where he lists seven things ascribed to him or achieved by him: He states that he was "circumcised on the eighth day.". Even though Gamaliel was the one who stated in Acts 5:34-39 that if this Jesus movement were from God there would be no way to stop it, they should just let it run its course, Paul was still influenced heavily by the persecution mindset that the rest of the Sanhedrin had. God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. This comes from inconsciously believing Pauls mantra, the Evangelical Mantra, that All Scripure is God-breathed, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. Hello Pastor Thapa your problem is not unique to Nepal, people everywhere like to rank themselves above others. I dont see specifically that Paul trained leaders of house churches to carry on the work after he left- but maybe Im missing something. Helpful. Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. Clinton. And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter. To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). ). Paul was in Jerusalem from the age of 3 (under Gamaliel), so to assume he already knew how to WRITE Greek would be fallacious.. What does Josephus say about Gamaliel? Paul was actually heeding the words of his teacher Gamaliel, who had said to guard against being "found fighters actually against God" by rejecting his pharisaical life and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. It is comparing the words of Jesus with the words of Paul (and other men) regarding which one is the Most Important Commandment and which one is the Second commandment, which together fulfill the Law and the Prophets. He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up. Maybe there is someone I could bounce this off, to get some ideas. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles in Acts 5:34-39. Ibn Taymiyya is the first I know of who said it in writing but obviously it was known as no Hadith mentioned Paul or a 13th Apostle, did name the 12. Jesus never said anything like that. Is the Word of God a revelation to man? (Matthew 27:45). He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. So get to work! And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. Pauls athletic references good point Emily. Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22.6). Sages of the time didn't have formal recognition or title. How dare he question the words of our Great Apostle Paul ? Yes I agree its a commandment given by Jesus, its not optional, and it applies to us today. If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. Gamaliel. The Acts of the 12 Apostles arent even Canonical but some trash letters that have brought nothing good to the world are exalted as scripture, which is because Paul says scripture in it, which actually is equal to Aggadah and not inspired or less important. That is why there was no mention of Believe and be saved The New Covenant was not even inaugurated until the Last Passover Supper and the 2 Commandments are clearly described in 1st John. No one in the pages of Bible ever said that all Scripture is EQUAL. [Acts 20:31 vs Acts 19:8-10], .4) Paul abandoning the Church in Corinth after a year and a half for no obvious reason, and going off on another long trip, mostly on his own, without appointing anyone else in Corinth as overseer, or giving anyone else any specific authority in the Church in Corinth. May I ask which verses of Scripture you are basing this on? If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Any help is much appreciated, in advance! Many self-professed Bible-believing Evangelicals wont listen to the words of Jesus, because they are brainwashed through reciting their mantra all scripture is God-breathed.. They make Paul the center, not Jesus. The majority of the rest of the book of Acts and the New Testament tells much about Paul's effective ministry as he served the Lord. Since Paul clearly gives his yeshiva and his lineage, it shows he wasnt a Christian before and after Damascus. What is undisputed is that Gamaliel was "held in . This has literally been the Orthodox position for almost 2000 years. As a world renowned public speaker, Rabbi Singer addresses more than 100 audiences a year. In fact, it is in this capacity where he is first mentioned in Acts 5. Thanks for the pointer. Dear Wilson, Yes there are ! . Anyway, I should save a throne for him too.. Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? We know that as a young man Paul studied under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel in Tarsus, who provided him with an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures ( Acts 22:3 ). He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view (Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him!). So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together. And this is before Saul/Paul is even mentioned. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. He comes back to nonviolence and tolerance in his ministry (how he handles the riots and the scourgings). Answer Gamaliel was a first-century Jewish rabbi and a leader in the Jewish Sanhedrin. Modern day Christianity has more of its roots in Constantine. The words of Jesus are superior to the words of everyone else in the Bible and to everyone else in the world. Not 1 as in 3 in 1. Here, Paul explicitly wrote that he was in these regions. Its not like there is a reason to believe a man who said, If my FALSEHOODS abound to Gods glory why am I being judged a sinner.?. Which one is it? Gamaliel may or may not have taken over the position when Simon died. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). But you are still not a Muslim when our Quran is incorruptible and agrees with the teachings of Issa (p) more so than theology of Orthodox Church or any Christian denomination! I was attracted to the school because they put Pauls mantra of All Scripture is God-breathed above everything else, and I wanted to heed Pauls command and Preach the Word like Paul. Without such a solid basis in the Torah and the Jewish Law that he got from studying under Gamaliel, I doubt Pauls conversion and ministry thereafter would have been as impacting or provocative. One hint is the resistance to Pauline Christianity by both Second Temple Judaism and more conservative Jewish Christians like James.Most scholars of the period talk about early Judaisms, plural, since there was in fact a range of practice and belief in the first century. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). This does not seem so radically opposed to Rome. The irony is what youre doing is exactly what Paul said NOT to do. This post is about how God continued to prepare Paul for his mission through his studies at the feet of Gamaliel.. I think there is some sort of progression, however, in Pauls theology. Being in his mid-range teens allows for plenty of time for Pauls family to teach him the strict conservative Jewish ways that he often brings up. Phillip you have been an inspiration to me here is a new poem. You will be called Rocky. Not the Baptists, Lutherans etc. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. The Twelve Apostles were absolutely NOT sent out right away after being appointed Apostles, according to Mark chapters 3 through 6, and Luke chapters 6 through 9. Is it possible that Paul did conceive of certain individual missions against Christians as consistent with a rendering of mercy, that is, mercy to the stability of cultural Judaism rather than mercy to minority Jews (i.e., Christians)? If you dont ask about Pauls sins, I wont tell about them. Nowhere. Perhaps a foundation stone? Social Science. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. Even if Judas was physically present, as we all realize now, he was not a true follower of Jesus. It was the righteousness of the law summarized. Thanks also for your series on New Perspectives. Paul was probably making reference to some of the Hebrew Scriptures, quite likely including the Law and the Prophets. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts.. Why believe a self-described co-redeemer holy spirit comforter who claimed; I became your father, therefore I urge you to imitate me? Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. This isnt the fullest description of him, but its full enough. Note: ingrafted Gentiles were branches of the tree and not replacements of Israel of the entire tree (replacement theology). I dont know of a single church that simply teaches the Bible simply and preaches the whole counsel of God, including Pauls sins and mistakes. Beware of the NAR whale its really a killer whale with a man-made horn strapped on top. Jesus reminds us from The Law at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27], As to the question of whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS. Note also that there were more than one Rabbi named Gamaliel. The overwhelming majority of the epistles is actually fighting against the teachings of Shammai in his time period. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. Obviously, the New Testament Scriptures were not written when Jesus was walking the earth. Rabbis are Reubenites. How long did the Apostle Paul prepare for ministry? The homeowners friend, the painting contractor, apologized, and explained: I hired a new foreman named Paul, but that was a huge mistake. Pauls relationship with Gamaliel two years ago, Paul and Gamaliel | ChristianBookBarn.com, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. 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